posted March 09, 2006 04:54 PM              

Does this sound legit to you, Chris? What kind of build might this be?

posted March 09, 2006 08:12 PM            

1) It's interesting that people are willing to throw their money away for the "idea" of something. The "seller" shares nothing except the name... lol

2) Someone who's been very vocal at this forum participated in conversations in that thread, but did not share its existence (as you did). That troubles me.

3) Who is this ASSEMBler person? He is claiming to have this for sale and runs the website... but who is he? Anyone have any info about him?

posted March 09, 2006 08:53 PM              

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Originally posted by B.M. Hedgehog:
For all we know this could be another scam.

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posted March 09, 2006 08:58 PM              

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Originally posted by kurisu:
Hi James. Thank you for sharing this. A few thoughts come to mind:

1) It's interesting that people are willing to throw their money away for the "idea" of something. The "seller" shares nothing except the name... lol

2) Someone who's been very vocal at this forum participated in conversations in that thread, but did not share its existence (as you did). That troubles me.

3) Who is this ASSEMBler person? He is claiming to have this for sale and runs the website... but who is he? Anyone have any info about him?

4) If you participate in those forums, please feel free to let people know about this one. I can certainly verify validity of any such "product" that is "for sale."

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What game did you work on exactly? I know who you are, don't worry aobut it. If we got in touch back when the first for sale thread of a 20-second demo of X-treme was sold back in september, I would've helped you giving you such information that you need, which you should've had since you worked on it...

In response to your post:

[1] What do you mean by seller sshares only the name? it is obvious that he has access to more information than you do. Obviously not every employee who worked on the game was faithful to Sega and gave back all the work they did when Sega wanted the project terminated.

[2] It must be localH. Or some other guy.

[3] you don't need to know.

[4] Then I have a few questions. The seller claims that this does not have any sound. Have you ever created a build/demo that has no sound. He also said that this is near complete. I remember that you guys planned for 9 levels, right? How far did you guys get to? Was it 4 levels? And 2 boss levels?

In otherwords, they shouldn't be asking assembler for information on the build, but I understand why they ask him, but we should all be asking YOU for information regarding hte history of the game. After all, you designed it...

The demo that was sold few months ago, is worthless compared to this, but he got a good deal on this copy and I'm glad he finally decided to do a community dump.

what has been going on might not seem fair to you sonic fanboys but its the only way you guys can get what you want. This is serious stuff. the first item caused a lot of commotion and attracted too many unwanted people.

posted March 09, 2006 09:03 PM              

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Originally posted by B.M. Hedgehog:
For all we know this could be another scam.

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Its not. It's not. It's not!!

posted March 09, 2006 09:12 PM              

I guess I would be pissed off too if people kept on bugging me and wouldn't read the posts.

[edited March 09, 2006 by Spawn of Jack]

Edit: Hey Kurisu, see if you can remember anything that could have led to a demo getting released. I feel that you have a right to know about this though, because you worked so hard and I think its dishonorable that you are being left out of this info. I just don't want people to disrespect you.

Ohh and sorry about all of the editing, Ideas continuously pop up in my head and I don't wanna double post.

[edited March 09, 2006 by Spawn of Jack]

posted March 09, 2006 11:22 PM            

Someone who is asking for money - especially someone who shares nothing about what he claims to have to sell doesn't exactly ring of honesty and goodwill.

Why should this ASSEMBler person be trusted? What has he done in the past that deserves praise or honor? I just don't know, and that is why I'm asking.

lollercoaster - I don't need to know who he is? And who, pray tell, are you? To address your rather arrogant, seeming-to-be-informed-but-not-actually-being-so introductory message to this forum, you can do some research on your own to answer most of the questions directed towards me. Have you seen what ASSEMbler is working on? Did you work on the original game? If you answered "no" to one or more of these questions, I'm sorry, but your credibility is completely shot.

If ASSEMbler didn't work on the original game (and I'm assuming he didn't), any work he may have done could be interesting and neato... but that doesn't make him an authority on the game, nor does it make what he has "Sonic Xtreme."

Here's a news flash: Sonic Xtreme never was and never will be.

That's not to say that materials or inspirations from the original production couldn't be used to make fan games... but none of those could or should ever claim to be the game - and certainly should never, ever even ask for money!

This stinks to me... if he genuinely has something cool, he should be forthright and share what fans are willing to paypal him... they could fork over money and never see anything in return!

And if he really claims it to be Sonic Xtreme (which is impossible considering it never finished, nor was it close)... don't you think it would make sense for him to get someone "official" to condone it as such? The work couldn't speak for itself because nobody knows what happened! Someone could drink blue food coloring, poop it in canisters and sell them as "Sonic Xtreme Wonder Bags" and nobody would know better - except of course, people who actually worked on the game! (lol - that's "Blue Streak" for you!)

Seriously though - If it's a grab of Chris Coffin's code at some point, for example - don't you think he should ask Chris first? How do you think Chris would feel? Some guy hacking his code and taking everything he'd worked so hard on... (not to mention anyone else who contributed) then turning around and selling it for money and not even mentioning Chris (let alone offering to give him any of the money?) ...AMAZING!!!

This is the kind of behavior that makes me not want to share more with the community. Not because of any of the good, enthusiastic fans who genuinely want to know - but because of the people who take advantage for their own gain... People who leech off of goodwill should be taken out in the backyard, stripped naked, tarred, feathered and then have their toes inserted into their buttocks. Twice. Rinse and repeat.

posted March 10, 2006 12:16 AM              

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Orginally Posted by Kurisu: People who leech off of goodwill should be taken out in the backyard, stripped naked, tarred, feathered and then have their toes inserted into their buttocks. Twice. Rinse and repeat.

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and not only that ill boom headshot them with my trusty S2-AM Sniper Rifle.

posted March 10, 2006 02:59 AM              

You pine for a release and / or fan game.
Yet you happily invite ten years of prison for piracy and threaten shootings upon me.
Is it outrage over piracy? Or just envy.
Look inside yourself and you'll know the answer.

So let's examine the situation, legally.

Sonic belongs to Sega. Not the programmers. So any claim to unrewarded works is nonsense. Chris received a paycheck like everyone else working on extreme. By terms of his contract he probably shouldn't even have this forum.

This isn't a personal attack. What I said is the truth.

Sonic belongs to sega. Not myself. Not Chris.

So where does that lead us...

Let us go to my realm.
The realm of the grey.Actions legal?
Ethical? Do you hunger for what I can
provide so much that you will overlook
legality and ethics?
The forbidden fruit is always the juiciest.
For is that not why you are here in this forum?

So in a way, you have already subconsciously
made a decision. You desire the fruit.

People act with emontions first. Harsh statements lead to actions on the part of unthinking people. The "infringed" works of chris create hostile action, im messenger attacks, etc.

So that is the end of my response.
I believe it to be a fair response to
your discussion, and I hope you will respect
it and leave it intact.

So please be mindful in your comments, and please remove the reference to shooting me.

-ASSEMbler

[edited March 10, 2006 by ASSEMbler]

posted March 10, 2006 06:57 AM              

So dramatic, reads like Shakespeare.

Forbidden fruit indeed XD

posted March 10, 2006 08:34 AM              

Kurisu- I just want you to know that you have put so much hope into the sonic community, and I fully appreciate it, no matter what happens in this community I will always respect you because you have been selfless in your goal to share everything with the community.

Edit:
ASSEMbler - Yes Sonic does belong to sega and not the developers but you have to think of all the work and dedication that was put into a project. If someone pours their heart and soul into a project it is going to be very meaningful to them.
We are people who did not have the experience of working on Sonic Xtreme. If people knew what it was like to work on the project we would most likely have a different view on the curent situation.
You have to respect the developers because without them there would never be anything about Sonic Xtreme and we would not be talking here right now.

posted March 10, 2006 09:23 AM            

This is legit. Totally.

posted March 10, 2006 11:19 AM            

Perhaps it's the artist in me that will never die, but creations are things I have a hard time putting a price tag on - and I'm talking while I'm employed or seeking employment (freelance or otherwise). Art is something that comes from the imagination and although I work very hard to create whatever it is I create... asking for money is something I find very hard to do.

People who work hard on something together and then have that work be locked in a dungeon forever understandably go through mixed emotions including loss, anger, disappointment, regret and all sorts of other things - because what they worked so hard to create will never be finished, never be shared and will never provide "closure" (which if you liken it to a relationship is a very difficult thing to live without).

In my case, I nearly died while working on that project. I'm not the only one, either. But forget that for a second - just count all the hours of devotion, sweat, tears and sacrifices the dedicated team members like Ofer Alon, Michael Kosaka, Ross Harris, Rick Wheeler, Don Goddard and countless others put in... that's a HELL of a lot of hours!!! Put that together for three years and you've got a mountain of creative effort.

Unfortunately, all that effort was largely disorganized. I am to blame for some of that, for sure - but I can share with complete honesty that I did my best and everyone on the team was faced with "xtreme" challenges many times over. Collectively it was the biggest mess I have ever been involved with... BUT, that does not mean there wasn't a hell of a lot of kick ass stuff - ideas, demos, designs... things that if handled with objectivity and care could eventually produce an amazing game. I firmly believe that is still possible.

So what of leaked demos and bits that people have hacked over the years so that they and others could potentially actually play and take part in the actual reality of whatever Xtreme was back then? That is something exciting for the community and those who take part in making that a reality, to be sure...

But for MONEY???

Have I gotten a penny for all the hours I have spent right here sharing and working my butt off to encourage, provide behind the scenes stuff, my perspectives, etc.??? NO WAY! Should I get any money? NO WAY!

Sunken treasure should go to museums, not converted to currency.

ASSEMBler, if you're reading - I think it's great if you have something, but don't think for a second that charging money for it is within your rights. If you want to break the rules by sharing it, do so with humility at least, and do so with open arms... charging a few willing individuals so that others who don't pay get it too? I fail to see the logic in that. Drop the selfish, elitist attitude and join the tea party for a minute.

posted March 10, 2006 11:31 AM            

It now looks to be going to a private collector, by the way.

posted March 10, 2006 11:35 AM            

Spawn of Jack - Thanks for your support. I hope to treat you with as much respect as you have shown me. And good points in your post following Keith's, by the way.

B.M. Hedgehog - I can understand why ASSEMBler addressed the headshot comment - but I do know that you're excitement isn't so much a personal attack on him as on the idea of what is going on. Much like Sonic Xtreme's production, no one person (including me!) knew or knows all the answers and perspectives... so we don't know everything in this situation either - but what we do know is what we see... and that's what I have addressed.

Keith - Classic. Glazed Ham.

hxc - Thanks for the information. Why did you choose not to say anything before or after commenting on ASSEMBler's board? (On a side note - If you're interested, I recommend watching the movie "The Insider." Al Pacino's character as a producer at Sixty Minutes is amazing.)

posted March 10, 2006 11:40 AM            

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Originally posted by kurisu:
And to address some of the community spirit...

[b]Spawn of Jack - Thanks for your support. I hope to treat you with as much respect as you have shown me. And good points in your post following Keith's, by the way.

B.M. Hedgehog - I can understand why ASSEMBler addressed the headshot comment - but I do know that you're excitement isn't so much a personal attack on him as on the idea of what is going on. Much like Sonic Xtreme's production, no one person (including me!) knew or knows all the answers and perspectives... so we don't know everything in this situation either - but what we do know is what we see... and that's what I have addressed.

Keith - Classic. Glazed Ham.

hxc - Thanks for the information. Why did you choose not to say anything before or after commenting on ASSEMBler's board? (On a side note - If you're interested, I recommend watching the movie "The Insider." Al Pacino's character as a producer at Sixty Minutes is amazing.)

[edited March 10, 2006 by kurisu][/B]

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Mainly because I didn't really want to cause any problems here, it was meant to stay contained at that board anyway.

I guess I could say who I think the seller was, but I don't want to cause problems, so I think I will stay shut up.

posted March 10, 2006 11:52 AM            

Now that is a proper post! Respectful, informative and useful instead of inflammatory and ambiguous. Nice work, ASSEMBler. Perhaps this can be the stance taken next time to begin with. (and if it was the original stance, it sure degenerated - so I'm glad it ended where it did).

Listen, from one admin to another... childish and annoying behavior can happen everywhere... members can ask the same questions over and over and over again... people can miss basic points or things clearly outlined... but is that an excuse to treat them without respect? Your decision to lighten the post and actually provide information is honorable and commendable. It does nothing but bring you respect. Good job

In terms of the actual information shared... I'm curious about this person who fears for their job and the threat of large-scale piracy allegations... that should be a tip-off that what they have in their possession should be shared for FREE (if at all)!!! lol ...what an idiot. I have an image in my mind of a cowering, spineless toad sweating and hoping to make a quick buck. That person is like Gollum!

I know me poking fun isn't the most mature stance - but hey, I'm a joker at heart - and this is funny!

posted March 10, 2006 02:21 PM              

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Originally posted by kurisu:

Keith - Classic. Glazed Ham.

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Hehe, thanks^^

See, that's the problem with forbidden fruit, it only brings greed. How many can share a single apple? And who wants to share such a treasure? Such things often take work to acquire, and come at a steep price, such that those who obtain it are reluctant to share it.

posted March 11, 2006 10:30 PM              

[edited March 11, 2006 by Matrix802]

posted March 13, 2006 09:18 AM            

I had no involvement in this version, other than art directing Ross Harris in creating his Sonic and ring sprites. I can say with all confidence that this footage does not represent Sonic Xtreme. It can accurately be said to represent a build of one tiny phase of development, but that in no way says "Sonic Xtreme" to me - it's simply a terrain model with some rings and a Sonic sprite running around on it - and a backdrop with clouds behind it... that's not gameplay, it's a tech test of a Sonic sprite in the Nights engine.

posted March 13, 2006 11:49 AM            

ASSEMBler - Can I assume that your reason for posting here is more to advertise your site and protect your interests rather than engage in meaningful conversation? I'm interested to hear more if you are comfortable sharing more.

posted March 13, 2006 04:20 PM              

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Originally posted by SANiK:
Assembler, there was something wrong with your image, but I kindly took the time to fix it for you:

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posted March 13, 2006 05:34 PM              

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Originally posted by SANiK:
Assembler, there was something wrong with your image, but I kindly took the time to fix it for you:

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In all honesty, i'd play that all day.

Now that concept looks very neat, now if we could get to play it...someday...

Let's just hope they make 500 backup CDs for archiving, or if they...you know...want to release it someday once they're done licking the CD!

I would like a real video though, the gameplay couldn't be THAT fast...could it?

Edit: Hello...Sonic 3 plant thingies from Angel Island and parts of Sonic 1 palm trees from Green Hill, neato!