posted January 07, 2006 11:48 AM              

kurisu: What I meant was that she was going to at least have a semi-active role in the game but is not just sheer eyecandy. That era was at least close to Lara Croft. Yes, she could hold her own too, but just... irritated some of the female players. Tiara is cute, no doubts about that, but she seemed to be rather independant while not being a tramp. Amy -was- seeming to go that direction, but now Rouge is being mangled into that role instead x_x you cannot HAVE a chest and still be a respected game character these days!

posted January 07, 2006 01:51 PM              

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Keith - lol ...the translator will only translate kanji, hiragana and katakana... not romaji (phonetic form) ...so to translate...

Hey Keith - so is (that is so)... name in japanese "kurisu" is (my name is Frank the Rock in Japanese)... good did... (good job) OMG - I just saw that I'd censored the word for poop that starts with an S and ends in a T with a HI somewhere there in the middle... so replace the **** with that.

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*snerk* well I was wondering about that '****' thing.

Frank the rock? Wha?

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Anywho - thanks for the kind words... lol... wouldn't it be cool to see Amy and Tiara cat-fighting? ;P

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You're welcome^^

posted January 07, 2006 02:08 PM              

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Does anybody know of any girls who are fans of Tiara? Know any that are offended by her design?

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I'm a girl and I'm a fan of Tiara I became a fan of hers loooong back when I first saw her black and white art printed in a magazine as a bratty little 9/10 year old at the peak of my Sonic obsession. I used to even play make-believe using her, except since I didn't know her name at the time and called her Judy XD
Heh. Good ol days. Knowing more about her and Gazebo has been something of a holy grail of mine ever since. I remember avidly waiting for Xtreme's arrival and wondering why it hadn't been released yet two/three years after first hearing about it. I was a sad little fangirl when I realized it had been canned.

Those pictures are amazing! It makes me feel inspired to draw her ^_^ So much more than I could have hoped to have seen. If you showed Gazebo I think my heart would explode. Can you imagin the mess that would make?

I have another question... Does Tiara and Gazebo's names have any specific meaning? With the majority of characters in the Sonic universe their names have some sort of direct relation to their abilities or appearance. Sonic is fast, Knuckles has spiked knuckles, Tails has two tails, Eggman is egg-shaped, etc. etc... I noticed on the myspace page that you listed Tiara's occupation as "princess". Now I realize this is probably just a token of the kind of attitude she has, but it's the only connection I can think of. Gazebo I can only imagin (scary place, my imagination) XD

posted January 07, 2006 03:01 PM            

AngstOverlord - lol ...I'll be sure not to share them then... don't want you dyin' on us! j/k... about the not sharing part! I gotcha with the respect et al... word.

Adamis - Right on (or should I say "Write on!"? ) Keep up the cool work... and share that shiznit, homey!

Keith - Don't mind Frank, he was just being me. Or something. (too much sugar). lol with the fight... can you imagine Amy vs. Tiara live at the OCTAGON??? ROFLMAO - that would make such a classic short film (and fight )

Jamie Lee - Hi Jamie Lee, welcome and thanks for sharing that very entertaining account! That's so neat to know you played make-believe with her... did you know I played with toys until I was FIFTEEN?! I know, weird, but dang... all that toy-playing and gameplaying and drawing... that's what developed my imagination. I remember when my parents would get on my case about playing games... then years later laughing about it when I had a good job in the videogame industry. Well, we certainly don't want anyone dying or their hearts exploding, but I hear rumors that Professor Gazebo Boobowski will be making an appearance sometime soon...

RE: your good question about name significance... "Tiara" is the name I think Michael Kosaka thought of way back when she was first being explored as an idea for a new character. I added Gazebo and the last name elements later on... and they were simply names that seemed to fit. But, we could use our imagination and suggest that Tiara fits because she is indeed a princess with class (except when she's rolling in the dirt) and Gazebo, well, you'll have to see him, but trust me, the name FITS!!! lol

posted January 07, 2006 03:20 PM              

Both feline, royalty, roughly the same age, Tiara with elemental powers and Blaze with inherent control over fire...

posted January 07, 2006 03:37 PM              

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Originally posted by H Hog:
Heheh... As interesting as it would be to see Tiara and Amy Rose duke it out, imagine the matchup against Blaze the Cat, Sonic's most recent ally. =P

Both feline, royalty, roughly the same age, Tiara with elemental powers and Blaze with inherent control over fire...

Gee, the longer I think of it, I'd almost think they were meant to be compared to eachother.

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posted January 07, 2006 03:47 PM              

I always thought Crackers was real... most of the sprite animators in the community (especially then) would've had a hard time making such adorable animations. Spin, you little spike-impaled freak! BWAA HAA HAA!

... Well, most of the ones I knew couldn't animate themselves out of a paper BAG.

When I was little, I was angry that the guys would never let me join in their stupid Sonic and Tails pretend games. "Can't I be Tails' sister or something?". Granted this was before Sonic CD and Amy... then years later I won first in a Sonic 3 versus competition. Oh, the bruised egos...

The series -really- needed a decent female back then. Now we have Blaze, the dead Tikal and Amy the less-of-a-drip. I always had a softer spot for SatAM's Sally though. She was actually a semi-realistic female. And all she got was stuck in a robot for Spinball. Phooey.

posted January 07, 2006 05:04 PM              

On Thursday [5th] I broke up with my girlfriend of around 2 years, which left me, needless to say, devestated, we didn't leave on bad terms and I have no bad memories of our relationship, which seemed to make thinks 100 times worse (I won't go into it all), a little later i learned, through The Sonic Stadium actually [www.thesonicstadium.org] that you had posted full colour images and much more information on Tiara Boobowski.
I have followed Sonic X-Treme since it was announced, gawd it really was ten years ago, (I've been following Sonic for 14 years now) but I never thought the release of Tiara B's colour and species could make me so happy. but it really, really did.
thank you for lessening my pain.

posted January 07, 2006 06:17 PM              

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I always had a softer spot for SatAM's Sally though. She was actually a semi-realistic female. And all she got was stuck in a robot for Spinball. Phooey.

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For some reason, its so interesting how many similarities she has to Mina Mongoose and Sally Acorn.

posted January 08, 2006 12:04 AM            

Soda - lol I wonder when they'll repackage Genesis carts as cracker boxes...

AngstOverlord -
All of the other reindeer
used to laugh and call him names.
They never let poor AngstOverlord
join in any Sonic games.

JERKS!!!

*hands him a photo of him playing as SUPERSONIC as a kid*

Miko - lol ...Tiara will probably fill up her digital camera at her next gig... so who knows, maybe there'll be some pics of Vader in there - peeing on a fan or something ) I think you'll be surprised with her bandmembers...

SXC ETA? ASAP FYI! The tough decision - spend time here replying or actually work on that... I do have a full-time job and relationship to attend to besides other stuff like movies, sleeping and short bathroom breaks... lol ...I think what I'm going to have to do is break it into smaller packets and release those as module-style docs... that way I can finish sections and release them - rather than spending years in a cave not sharing anything... ya dig?

thebeast - Hi MeX. Man, I feel you... that is rough times. As Abba sang, "breaking up is never easy." Say, I'm really glad this sharing and communication between the peeps here is bringing a smile to your heart... do me a favor? What's your favorite fruit? I've got an idea...

Soda - Oh aren't we Mr. Smarty Pants! lol (good observation). Originally, Tiara's father was named "King Cyberooski" by Michael Kosaka. I never designed a look for him... the "king" became a professor just as soon as Gilligan - no wait - lol - he changed suits when the storyline changed and required a scientist. Megaman told me Dr. Wily was busy, so I created a monster... Professor Gazebo Boobowski. (bah - perfect place for one but have to scan at work!). So for consistency and logic's sake, let's assume that Booby is a king, he just can't let go of meddling with beakers and Bunsen burners... okeedokee artichokee?

posted January 08, 2006 12:07 AM              

Oh, and is there any description as to how her moves in the game would've been like?

And to the previous commenter who will have to quote... XD I happen to like Mina a lot (I find it very interesting how her shortened name is also that of a Mynah bird and her lengthened name a godess of wisdom Greek or Roman I dunno) and she's a wise charachter who sings. She's not gonna be everyone's cup of tea though so yeah, I don't wanna stray off topic.

So tying it back, I guess the whole bit about Mina Mongoose being a music star and Tiara on a similar path caught me for a moment. There are probably more similarities between Tiara Mina and Sally.. and when you think about it, those similarities happen to tell us a great deal about what the creatives feel are necessary in someone Sonic's going to be interested in

posted January 08, 2006 11:25 AM              

Granted what I usually do is scan a drawing in high-res, fix the lines and flat-fill. But yes, easy manipulation I think. That and they just look spiffy...

posted January 08, 2006 11:29 AM              

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Miko
This demo video that kurisu posted might answer your question on how Tiara moved:

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I was reffering to the moves Tachyon and Jump Spark.

anyway hmm... more questions about Tiara...

1. on her myspace account she has a lot of phrases like "I'm a dot" and "have some soup"

in what situations do you think she'd say these things? I'll bet people who are interested in things such as Tiara B. fanfiction are itching to know this question so they get her dialouge "down pat" as she might say.

posted January 08, 2006 05:29 PM              

That GamePlayers mag so many years ago that had the final design in it, stated that Tiara was a hedgehog... and all these years I thought that it couldn't be true. Tiara doesn't even have quills! Glad to know she's a cat.

*Sends Tiara a friend request* >_>

posted January 08, 2006 06:37 PM              

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Angst wrote: Granted what I usually do is scan a drawing in high-res, fix the lines and flat-fill.

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Bear in mind this was ten years ago on an Amiga with (likely) Deluxe Paint. What we do now with Photoshop was only a twinkle in the graphics artists eye. I used Deluxe Paint for several years on my old 386 and I can tell you it was a very primitive program by modern standards. Our high-res nowadays would be several screens worth of 600x400 imagery and more memory than the computer could handle

Although I bet he had access to graphics-specific computers, I think I can safely say that those pics he posted would have taken up most of the screen, if not the entire screen. Am I right?

posted January 08, 2006 07:35 PM            

Tiara sayings used when? Excellent question. Her blogs are a good place to learn more about her, what's going on in her life and I'm sure she'll let those phrases slip here and there...

thebeast - What's up, MeX?! No problemo... and Pineapple, huh? Okeedokee. Now to your q's...

First color concepts were indeed directly on the computer (and back then, and throughout Sonic, everything I did was done with a MOUSE baby, yeah!). Thanks for the compliments... yes, hand-drawn compared to mouse drawing was/is indeed easier and faster... but as AngstOverlord mentions, coloring is much faster and more flexible as is image manipulation if it's necessary (shortening a leg, rotating an arm or simply redrawing it). Nowadays, I draw with a stylus pen which isn't the same as drawing on paper, but it's close enough. As I mentioned to Miko, I'll draw a new Tiara pic with the stylus and you can compare line quality, etc. Sound good? At the time, I chose to draw with the mouse and color it because it was easier overall. Keep in mind that all that drawing was done with DeluxePaint Animator... 8-bit artwork with no alpha, no layers and gigantic pixels... lol about the "longer than pineapple" comment!

AngstOverlord - Your method is very similar to what I do. First I draw it (whether on paper or directly into Photoshop), scan if necessary, then select the negative space around the character, then invert the selection, decrease its size by 1 or 2 pixels then fill the whole thing with a color. Then I break down that sillhoette by coloring its parts to ultimately be a fully-colored flat fill drawing... then I add highlight and shadow layers, accent layers, and background layers 'til I'm done.

Timeline of the final Tiara concept pic? Good question... I think it was late '95 to mid '96... which would put us into v08 or Saturn target range.

Jan - Hey you - I'm glad you like the other pics of Tiara. What is it do you think that makes these more appealing than the final to you? I'm glad you're inspired to draw... I've been drawing ever since I was a little squirt and improvement came from being inspired... so I'm really glad you are! Keep it up, Jan!

posted January 09, 2006 02:30 PM              

Ok, never heard that one before... XD

posted January 09, 2006 06:16 PM              

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Originally posted by kurisu:Jan - Hey you - I'm glad you like the other pics of Tiara. What is it do you think that makes these more appealing than the final to you? I'm glad you're inspired to draw... I've been drawing ever since I was a little squirt and improvement came from being inspired... so I'm really glad you are! Keep it up, Jan!

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I had to think about this a bit lol. But what it is, is that the Tiara concepts give her more of a cute but confident look, rather than the more sexy look that the final gave her. I usually prefer cuter looks for female characters, but I can understand why that final drawing may have chosen, given the target audience of most games

I've also been drawing since I was little. I've kinda slacked off in recent years, due to too much video game playing 8)

Oh, and what are Tiara's favourite colours? Trying to decide on background colours for a picture I was working on...

posted January 09, 2006 06:48 PM              

MeX

[EDIT] damn Jan up there got his post in before mine, but I doubt it takes a lot of guessing what i was referring too.

posted January 09, 2006 11:44 PM              

Though I lacked knowledge of Tiara, I've been a big fan of hers since I picked up a magazine and saw her colourless piccie. I was forever curious about her, and what had occured to make Sonic Xtreme — what appeared to be an awesome game — cease to exist.

Really interesting to see more Tiara pics - and in colour no less! I'm sure you know this by now, but most of the Sonic fanbase thought she was a hedgehog. I was one of those people, only because I was lead to believe this. XD Heck, I've drawn fan pics of her like crazy - all lame hedgie ideas, way off from the real deal [ especially in colour, but everyone sees things differently, right?]. So thank you for clarifying, and sharing with all of us the real Tiara.

I must say - the pics you've posted are noticably different from the one pic everyone knew. She looks... cuter. Was she meant to be cute, or smexy? ;P

posted January 11, 2006 01:19 AM              

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Sega must be running low on ideas. I wonder when they'll start re-packaging Sonic Crackers into newer stuff...

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I wouldn't be too quick to pass that kind of judgement. Only one of the three characters you're comparing made their way into an actual release. If I were expanding on a cast for a videogame series, I certainly wouldn't take worry about crossing design space for characters that aren't even official!

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Originally posted by Miko:
For some reason, its so interesting how many similarities she has to Mina Mongoose and Sally Acorn.

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To me, not so much. The way I see it, this is occuring because of a lack of courage in character design. (no offense kurisu) The collective traits of Sally, Tiara, and Mina could be a compilation of generic and subtle stereotypes that you wouldn't normally apply to male characters, as well as an unwillingness to dip into more exciting colors besides brown or yellow. I wouldn't in any way consider those some sort of groundbreaking parallels or insight to what Sonic's ideal partner would be.

To be honest, though, I much prefer Tiara over Mina and Sally. She is much more appropriate for the nature of the world of Sonic, -especially- back in the days when Sonic Xtreme was a work in progress. She at least has spunk and style, and now, her scepter communicates her state of royalty as well as some original abilities.

posted January 11, 2006 02:16 PM              

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Originally posted by Keith Hemari:
I used Deluxe Paint for several years on my old 386 and I can tell you it was a very primitive program by modern standards.

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posted January 14, 2006 12:34 PM            

hxc - Funky it is! lol

Jan - I completely agree with you, Jan - good observations. I prefer the cuter one, too. The final one lacks life like the earlier pics. I hear tell that Tiara updated her myspace page - you might wanna check on the answer to your question there...

thebeast - lol Classic, MeX! You're very welcome SANiK got it covered by not only posting Tiara's myspace link, but posting AS Tiara. lol

Cherri - Hello Cherri and welcome! Thanks for introducing yourself - and it wasn't lame. (sistuh PLEASE!) Hmm, I wasn't aware that she was seen as a hedgehog by more than a few who thought about it... interesting. Good point about the cuter... she was ultimately set to be more "smexy" (I like that term lol), but as Jan mentioned, we like the cuter version

egg - Well hello there, egg. Shoot first and introduce yourself later, huh? lol It's good to have such varied personalities to share with. I'm glad you feel comfortable being blunt. I'll return the favor... no offense taken with the "lack of courage in character design" statement. My reasoning behind what I designed was simple: I thought it looked good and spoke out as a tangible character to me more than any of my other designs. Similarly, there really wasn't an "unwillingness to dip into more exciting colors" with me... color has always been my weakest skill in art, and those colors I decided on were what I found appealing. Call me "not so creative" or "not so skilled with color" and I'm fine with that. Speculating is fine, but assuming, well, it would be nice to be asked, rather than told what only I know... know what I mean, jelly bean? I'm glad she evokes a feeling of spunk and royalty - that was the intent

SANiK - "it's only one Tiara running around"... are you sure about that, toughguy? lol Honestly, that is a funny prank... I would just be concerned that some people might use that power (if they figure it out or find out how to do it) for ill... some damage could be done with that... use your imagination if nothing comes to mind at first...

LocalH - Good points. I'm not sure whether it was III or IV I last used - think the latter, but it was indeed superior to the PC version. I loved my Amiga... it still works, but the fan is so loud I think it's going to erupt into a thermo-nuclear explosion any minute!

posted January 14, 2006 01:19 PM              

Tiara the Rocket Knight?

posted January 14, 2006 02:49 PM              

Being an avid fan of medieval strategy RPG's (think Shining Force, Fire Emblem), I just can't help imagine her holding a large spear or halberd in that armor. XD

"Oh! I am SO not wearing the helmet! I spent HOURS getting my hair the way it is!"

Lovely sketches, there. Some of those really give a great look on some of the finer aspects of her personality, if you ask me - despite being royalty, and part of a band, it's good to see she still doesn't figure herself above such activities as being fascinated by wild (robot)life and reading books. =P

posted January 14, 2006 02:57 PM            

*bursts Adamis' bubble of having a 'Terminator' named Tiara* ;P

kurisu - I understand the chaos that the Tiara thing can cause, but there's a way to 'protect' oneself:

A) Disable HTML (too risky)
- OR -
B) Whenever a comment is posted, click "Edit Comments" instead of "View Profile"
For example, look at MY comment above Tiara's comment...
It should be missing the "Delete comment", but Tiara's comment would have the "Delete comment" option which should be a hint to how fake it is

Although, I did pull some funny pranks with it like having Tom of MySpace comment my friends
GOD, did they think they were so cool because of that =P

I still haven't told them it was me ^_^ *whistles on*

posted January 14, 2006 09:11 PM              

so which version of Tiara is this? Is this the final version you were talking about?
here's a HUGE version if somebody wants to color it or something:
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1273/tiaraboobowskibig3im.png

[edited January 14, 2006 by Elmatto]