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#51 2009-08-05 16:22:03

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

You do know you're posting on a forum which has a few sections dedicated to an unreleased game, right? You'd be all over a chance to buy Sonic X-Treme if you had the chance. I suggest next time you find another chance of trying to have a go at him since he annoyed you once or whatever, you keep it to yourself and carry on.

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#52 2009-08-05 16:52:25

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Saturn wrote:

Sik wrote:

SonicFan13 wrote:


He keeps telling me not to get it because he said that there's not enough good games on it besides Sonic CD and because he says that if I get a Sega CD that doesn't work or if my Sega CD gets on fire like his did then he ask me what will I do and then he keeps saying it's not worth getting a Sega CD and then since he sees that I still want it he tells me to get the Sega CDX.He is not forcing me but he is just telling me.

At this point I'd tell you to just stop paying attention to him. He seems to hate it neutral Besides I've been talking to Tiido, and getting a Sega CD on fire is horribly hard - even if you remove the protections, the worst you can get is some component frying up and maybe melting, but it's very unlikely that the entire thing burns up on fire. Especially because Martianman claims about three of them getting on fire. I really want to know what the hell happened because it isn't normal at all.

Also I've already proven that there are good games.

Why take advice from Martianman? The guy who wastes soo much money on console prototypes and such, when the MEGA CD is an actual console.

He's not forcing me to not get a Sega CD he is just warning me not to get one.He says things like "the Sega CD is a Piece of S**T[I didn't want to type that word in >.>] or "the Sega CD is not worth it" and other comments like that.


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#53 2009-08-05 16:54:30

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Ollie wrote:

You do know you're posting on a forum which has a few sections dedicated to an unreleased game, right? You'd be all over a chance to buy Sonic X-Treme if you had the chance. I suggest next time you find another chance of trying to have a go at him since he annoyed you once or whatever, you keep it to yourself and carry on.

Yeah I Know that and also he's not annoying me about this.


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#54 2009-08-05 17:33:44

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

What are his reasons for getting a CDX over a Sega CD, by the way, I don't think he's mentioned it.

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#55 2009-08-05 17:49:25

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Ollie wrote:

What are his reasons for getting a CDX over a Sega CD, by the way, I don't think he's mentioned it.

He mention it when we were talking on msn.


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#56 2009-08-05 17:55:22

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

What were his reasons then?

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#57 2009-08-05 18:35:56

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Ollie wrote:

What were his reasons then?

Here I'll post some of the chat:


"plus the sega cd is horrible,horrible load times,problems reading disks,malfunctioning high failure rate. that means its not reliable at all.yes that is because one of my Sega cds BARELY works, DONT BUY ONE THEY SUUUUUUUUCK GET A 32X OR IF YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH CDS THEN GET A 3DO"


Yeah please excuse on how the comment is mush together. I did that.And there's more but I think that should help.


Note:The comment is confusing because I left out some other comments that he added on those comments.

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#58 2009-08-05 19:23:18

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

You just prove my point - he hates the Sega CD. It doesn't matter what you ask him, he'll say you that it sucks.

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Yes, most of the USA games are FMV but you'll get into it.

Fixed. Almost none (for not saying none at all) Japanese games use FMV for gameplay, only for cutscenes or maybe for animated backgrounds. Nothing more. The whole FMV craze is something SoA did because they felt like needing to prove that the Sega CD can bring high graphics quality by having more storage space.

Xeniczone wrote:

EDIT: You forgot Out Of This World/Heart of an Alien.  I don't like Heart of an Alien, but Out of this World is one of my favorite games of all time and it comes on the Heart of the Alien disc.

I don't have a master list :< Besides I know that there are still more games.


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#59 2009-08-05 21:22:17

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Sik wrote:

You just prove my point - he hates the Sega CD. It doesn't matter what you ask him, he'll say you that it sucks.

Oh There's more what he said than that but I'll let him explain when he comes back.


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#60 2009-08-05 21:49:49

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

@anyone who says emulating the Sega CD/Genesis/32X is illegal: Don't think of it as a Sega system emulator, think of it as a m68k emulator that pipes video output to a vdp emulator, and audio output to a Z80 emulator, which in turn pipes to a YM2612, DAC, and PSG. It just happens to satisfy the hardware of the various systems.

@anyone who says the Sega CD is crap: Shame on you, the Sega CD is a brilliant piece of hardware, it just had an ill timed release. The things you could do with the Sega CD paired with the 32X with good programming are amazing.

@anyone who says the Sega CD is great: Good job smile3

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#61 2009-08-05 22:32:45

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

@anyone who says emulating the Sega CD/Genesis/32X is illegal: Don't think of it as a Sega system emulator, think of it as a m68k emulator that pipes video output to a vdp emulator, and audio output to a Z80 emulator, which in turn pipes to a YM2612, DAC, and PSG. It just happens to satisfy the hardware of the various systems.

Not true.  For a Sega MegaDrive this is true, but for Sega CD and Sega 32X this is incorrect because these systems require bioses for emulation.  The bioses are illegal to own without owning the actual console.  You could buy a broken Sega CD of ebay for around 15 dollars then it would be legal to emulate the Sega CD.

I'm getting a Sega CD tomorrow I'll tell you how it is. big_smile1 Gotta drive an 1hour 13minutes to get it but I hope it's worth it.


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#62 2009-08-05 23:29:56

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Xeniczone wrote:

@anyone who says emulating the Sega CD/Genesis/32X is illegal: Don't think of it as a Sega system emulator, think of it as a m68k emulator that pipes video output to a vdp emulator, and audio output to a Z80 emulator, which in turn pipes to a YM2612, DAC, and PSG. It just happens to satisfy the hardware of the various systems.

Not true.  For a Sega MegaDrive this is true, but for Sega CD and Sega 32X this is incorrect because these systems require bioses for emulation.  The bioses are illegal to own without owning the actual console.  You could buy a broken Sega CD of ebay for around 15 dollars then it would be legal to emulate the Sega CD.

I'm getting a Sega CD tomorrow I'll tell you how it is. :D Gotta drive an 1hour 13minutes to get it but I hope it's worth it.

Okay Cool! =D I'll probably Go to the Flea Market this weekend to find a Sega CD or just go to ebay.

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#63 2009-08-05 23:53:49

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Xeniczone wrote:

@anyone who says emulating the Sega CD/Genesis/32X is illegal: Don't think of it as a Sega system emulator, think of it as a m68k emulator that pipes video output to a vdp emulator, and audio output to a Z80 emulator, which in turn pipes to a YM2612, DAC, and PSG. It just happens to satisfy the hardware of the various systems.

Not true.  For a Sega MegaDrive this is true, but for Sega CD and Sega 32X this is incorrect because these systems require bioses for emulation.  The bioses are illegal to own without owning the actual console.  You could buy a broken Sega CD of ebay for around 15 dollars then it would be legal to emulate the Sega CD.

Sik wrote:

Emulating the hardware isn't illegal. Using downloaded copies of the games is :P but emulators can use the real CDs so that's a moot point as you can just use the original copies. But no emulator has a built-in BIOS so that is also a moot point as you need an illegal copy of a BIOS :| (no, having the console doesn't make a downloaded copy legal, the back-up exception doesn't apply on ROM media, only magnetic media and similar)

Conclusions:

1) Emulating per-se is legal, period.
2) Owning the console still doesn't make getting a copy of the BIOS legal.

Also Fusion has a built-in custom 32x BIOS in case you don't want to use a BIOS image.


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#64 2009-08-05 23:56:07

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Reverse engineered BIOS ftw.

Edit: To add serious content to this, is something like multibios legal or illegal?

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#65 2009-08-06 00:41:31

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

2) Owning the console still doesn't make getting a copy of the BIOS legal.

@Sik: Could you elaborate on this.

Edit: To add serious content to this, is something like multibios legal or illegal?

I really don't know. I guess it's which point of view you have.

You own a Sega CD having the bios should be legal.  From Sega's eyes it could be illegal because you don't own that specific region of Sega CD.  They would want this to be illegal so that the consumer doesn't get their hands on region locked content.

I don't know, I myself almost bought a Japanese Sega Mega CD and was planning on converting the bios to the USA bios.  Not a multibios just changing the bios region.


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#66 2009-08-06 12:25:03

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Um...What is a multibios?


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#67 2009-08-06 13:30:14

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Xeniczone wrote:

2) Owning the console still doesn't make getting a copy of the BIOS legal.

@Sik: Could you elaborate on this.

Yeah - the exception that allows a back-up copy to be made only applies to magnetic media, such as floppy and hard disks. They don't apply to anything else - that includes the BIOS. Thereby, even owning the console, you can't download a copy of the BIOS as that's illegal. And even if the exception applied, it'd be still illegal as you have to make the back-up yourself, not download it :P

Xeniczone wrote:

Edit: To add serious content to this, is something like multibios legal or illegal?

I really don't know. I guess it's which point of view you have.

You own a Sega CD having the bios should be legal.  From Sega's eyes it could be illegal because you don't own that specific region of Sega CD.  They would want this to be illegal so that the consumer doesn't get their hands on region locked content.

I don't know, I myself almost bought a Japanese Sega Mega CD and was planning on converting the bios to the USA bios.  Not a multibios just changing the bios region.

It's illegal if the country has a DMCA-like law. Otherwise you're free to replace the BIOS with another one, supposing you are legally entitled to that copy of the new BIOS :P


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#68 2009-08-06 13:52:51

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Wait, can't you download the backup?


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#69 2009-08-06 16:40:03

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Nope as far as I know. You must make the back-up yourself.


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#70 2009-08-06 16:53:08

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Well, can't you have a pre-made back-up?


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#71 2009-08-06 17:09:03

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

Did you make that pre-made back-up yourself? :P Also remember that the exception only allows for one back-up copy. Not more.


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#72 2009-08-06 17:32:20

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

So....You can make only one, or can only possess one?


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#73 2009-08-06 19:44:51

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

If you make a back-up, it's under your possession. If it isn't, then you gave an illegal copy to somebody else ;P


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#74 2009-08-06 20:42:38

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

That makes scene in a way, because if it didn't then you could download a premium version of a copy you have an say it's just a back up so it's more of a safety net.

OK, Huge butt post from here just to warn.

I want to Louisville, KY to respond to the guys ad about the Sega CD he was selling. It was about an hours drive, but it was well worth it.

I spent 30 bucks and got. This Sega Dreamcast.  I have no idea if the Dreamcast works. As I don't have any cables for it.  It has the same standard power as the Ps2, which I have plenty off but I need a video cable. It's also missing the modem which is ok because I wanted to hunt down a broadband adapter.
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And I Got this Sega CD/Sega Genesis.  This Sega Genesis is in really nice condition compared to my other Sega Genesis Model 1(u can see it above the Sega Dreamcast kinda), and the Sega CD is in very good condition 2.  I haven't hooked it up to the Surround Sound system or hook up the Mix cable because i haven't had time to mess with it.  I will take another picture when I hook that all up and the 32X just to show how messy the Model 1 is when everything is hooked up with the Stereo and S-Video set up.
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Quick review because I haven't played with it much.
The guy didn't know if it worked because he only had the power adapters no video cable.  Which is alright because it uses the same as the Master System and I already had a Genesis Model 1 this is my Second one, along with my crappy Sega Genesis 3.

First time I booted it It booted fine.  I got the cool Model 1 Boot Screen, I like it better then the Model 2 Boot screen but the model 2 has some kick ass music.

Then I pushed the reset button and out came a game I was like "OOO, a free game!!!!"  Then I read what the game was and it was Dungeon and Dragons, Then my excitement died like a cat getting ran over by a 18 wheeler.

I put a music cd in and pushed the reset button again.  The tray sucks in half way and spits it back out.  I tried again and it keeps doing this.  Don't know if it's a Model 1 thing or just my Sega CD.  So I gave it a small push and it sucked it in just fine.

The second time a booted it, I got a blue screen that said my Genesis was the wrong region like a Japanese MegaDrive. It was weird but I hit the reset button and before you know it I was listening to Green Day on some crappy TV speakers.

So I decided to try Dungeon and Dragons out.  The boot time isn't as bad as people say it is. It's no worst then a 8 year old Playstation 2.  Where you put the disk in an it takes a while to read it before booting.  At least with the Sega CD you get a cool Intro to watch while you wait, rather then the PS2 where you watch a gray screen with a memory card flashing while you wait.

My review on Dungeon and Dragons.  I really can't review it.  I got up to the character select screen and saw poopy like "Male Elf" "Female Grunt"  and I was like "F*ck this" and shut the Genesis off.

That is my quick review on the Sega CD that I just got today.  Hopefully I can find some games on ebay or something and I will definitely hunt down some home brews just for poopy and giggles.

EDIT:  BTW, this controller came with the bundle too.  Can anybody say what it is.  It's red? Is it a European controller?  I don't care too much because I have a few 6-button controllers but it was just weird to see.
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#75 2009-08-06 22:55:26

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Re: is the Sega CD worth getting?

It's not European since it says Genesis on the controller. smile3

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